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Bryan McCartney
You’re listening to us ring death. Follow us on awkward podcast apps or answering death.com.au Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples should be aware that this episode may contain the names of people who have passed away. Today I’m joined by Kim ese visual woman, and she has a pretty interesting and unique career, let’s say So would you say working with paranormal?
Kim Ezzy
Yes, that’s definitely.
Bryan McCartney
It’s pretty interesting and unique. I should first say welcome. Welcome, Kim, thank you for joining us, I want to ask during death, tell us a bit about what you do. What is your business
so my business is Kiah Corner and Kiah Corner is a blend of different spiritual modalities that really aim to one introduce people to the own spirituality and help them start their journeys to introduce different techniques and again, modalities that can help people on their healing journey. But also to I really am passionate about people growing their own abilities. So that’s kind of the other arm of what we do to is really, you know, helping people on the journey helping them learn teaching them different types of modalities, Reiki on ik, which is shamanic energy work. Tarot card reading, pendulum board, reading, different crystals, you know, different books, all sorts of different stuff, but just really getting them started on their own spiritual journeys.
Bryan McCartney
Awesome. So uttering death, we’re all about grief and death and connecting with your own relationship to those sorts of things. Obviously, life doesn’t just stop when people die. How How did you sort of move into that space?
Well, funnily enough, like, I come from such a I mean, we’re mongrels, really. But we have so many different bloodlines. So on my dad’s side, there’s, you know, Japanese and Hawaiian heritage as well as English and Spanish. And then on my mom’s side, my grandmother’s from Romany blood. So she spent much of her early life travelling. Her dad was a traveller and her mom was a English society woman. So their relationship was kind of taboo. So they spent most of her life travelling to kind of avoid, you know, the slings and arrows of sticks on. And then my grandpa obviously was Aboriginal as well, and he was adopted out. And his grandma, his birth mom, sorry, my grandmother, my great grandmother was murdered, as well. So I think kind of growing up knowing that really kind of helped us to connect with people that are passed over. And because my grandma’s from, you know, tribal heritage, we grew up reading Tarot cards and tea leaves around the kitchen table. And it was just thought that was a normal part of growing up. Yeah, until the kids at school were like, That’s really weird. And I’ve grown into my weirdness, I absolutely celebrate my weakness now, but as a kid, it kind of made me a bit of a schoolyard. Sometimes I’d say things in there like, oh my god, she talks to herself. We need to leave her out of this. Yeah.
Bryan McCartney
So quiet corner is not the only thing that you do you have another interesting line of work.
Yes, I am part of a paranormal investigation group per i paranormal. And we’re a team of investigators that are just quite passionate. I joined the team probably about a year and a half ago. So the the team’s founders are Dwayne Simpson and Mel Simpson, husband and wife team and then Dwayne sister Tanya Simpson as well. So they found in the group and have been going for a number of years. But yeah, I’ve been on the team for about a year. So that’s probably the most favourite part of what I do. We are all volunteers as well. So, you know, Dwayne, and Mel and Tanya are quite passionate about making sure that all the proceeds proceeds from the tickets go back to the venues to really support and preserve the heritage that we’re promoting on each tour as well. And there’s
Bryan McCartney
a range of venues that you work with, across Brisbane really, so an all parts of Brisbane and Ipswich, that sort of stuff. So what what are the venues that you’re working
on the main venues that we do is Walston farmhouse. And that’s out Ipswich way. And then we have jets leaks club at Ipswich as well. And we do lately Pioneer Village and goodness cemetery. And occasionally we’ll do other venues as well. And we’ve got some venues coming up, but I’ll let the team officially announce those on their Facebook page.
Bryan McCartney
So did you say oh Patri Tennant? Oh, yes. Oh,
my apologies. So we’ve just started doing on Patreon as well. So yeah, keeps us on.
Bryan McCartney
So for people who want to explore those. So how does it work? What is the offering there?
So the tickets generally around $45 A ticket depending on the venue. And some we also work with them. Another team called Ipswich sip and dip and it’s really fun because the guests there they pay for their tickets, they To meal and they get a glass of, you know, their beverage favourite beverage. And they go and do an art class at the beginning and then they do a paranormal investigation afterwards. So
Bryan McCartney
the paranormal, the dip
always say it wrong too. So I just have to be very mindful about how I’m pronouncing things
Bryan McCartney
will apologise in advance for any expletives that might come from Kim. It’s all all welcome. Regardless.
I’m trying very hard. My best customer service. But sometimes, yeah, there’s this spirits like to swear a lot as well. And I think that’s why I get along so well with them because we both go potty mouth so
Bryan McCartney
excellent. How, obviously growing up with the that sort of exposure to tarot, and on like clairvoyance and all that sort of stuff. How do you like integrate that into life?
I think it was always a challenge. Like my grandma, she passed away a couple of years ago, and she was always quite passionate about it. But we were raised quite staunchly religious, high Anglicans, early years, we even you know, sung in Latin, in church as well. So, you know, it was kind of like we kept the religious and the spiritual, very separate. And I think, certainly, with the conversations that I’ve had with my grandma over the years, and particularly since she’s passed on, she’s quite proud of the fact that I’m actually embracing my spirituality and doing this as part of my business now, because I think she kind of felt like she had to keep the two parts of her very separate. And the spirituality was very much something that we did behind closed doors, it wasn’t something that we did openly. So, yeah, I think there was a lot of really strong personal journey for myself, when I reached 15, my mum sort of said to me, I’m not going to force you to go to church anymore. If it’s not your thing, it’s not your thing. So I stopped going to church at that age. And then when I had my own kids, I started to go back to church, but then realised that I didn’t, you know, it wasn’t for me.
Bryan McCartney
And you’re looking for why.
And again, I think sometimes religion teaches spirituality in a very specific way. But I think spirituality is such an individual thing. And when you experience the spiritual world, you realise that it’s very different to what you taught growing up.
Bryan McCartney
I think you’re right, like spirituality is as unique as grief, that everybody’s journey is different, and the way they’re exposed and inducted into that spiritual, all these different, what was your sort of introduction like?
Interesting. So 15 is a very pivotal age, particularly my family. So generally, we have kind of a few traditions when we turn 15 We were always taught that your first Tarot pack should be gifted to you. And I know it’s not the new way of thinking, but it was definitely back then. And when I was 15, so for my 15th birthday, I got my first pack of tarot cards from my mum for my birthday. And before that, we were taught to read tarot using normal playing cards. So we kind of learned the symbology and was probably a better way to learn because we kind of learned the major and the minor arcana and what each card kind of stood for. And then when I was 15, I was living in Michigan at the time and my mum was working in before and after school care them, and she used to run the holiday programme at a place called gramme house. So gramme house has kind of morphed into many different things over the years. It’s currently a community centre. But it had been like a hospital and medical centre where people kind of stayed over like a hospice over the years as well. So Mum, funnily because I was too young to actually earn a wage then. I hope everybody that I’m talking about now is not listening to these, because I don’t think it’s, you know, really it was frowned upon, but anyway, judgement for you. At the time, it was paid in aerobics vouchers because I was too young to be paid a wage. So I helped my mom out with the vacation programme, and she had a group of young boys that were probably in about grade six at the time, and there was, so gramme house is like a split level. So underneath, it’s an old Queenslander style, but upstairs it’s got all separate rooms with a communal kind of kitchen and showering toileting area. And downstairs, it’s like an open plan kind of Queensland, you know, with the cement slabs and the big pillars. That’s where they did all the arts and crafts and stuff. But it was really creepy because the stairwell down to the kind of basement was very dark. And there was one light switch upstairs. So the boys in grade six thought it was hilarious to lock me in the stairwell and turn the lights off are good. So I freaked out. And I was like trying to calm myself down and then started knocking on the door politely and then knocking Come on boys. This is not funny and I felt somebody squeeze my shoulder. And I flipped my arm around when they were still in there. And that’s when I just went. So I was bashing on the daughter screaming it down. So mom came running and let me they came and the boys just again thought it was the funniest thing they’ve ever heard. And yeah, that was kind of my introduction. So my mum had to sit me down then and really discuss one, you know, what the spirit world was all about. She didn’t tell me that a young boy, when it was a youth hostel had hung himself in the stairwell. And he was protecting me because she said he definitely went through a lot of bullying in his years. And that’s kind of what led to him choosing that path. So she said it was a sign of protection. He wasn’t there to hurt you. So it’s not something that you should be scared of. Yeah. So
Bryan McCartney
how do you respond to that young child? Yeah, have that experience. And then mom comes and says he that’s normal. Right? About that? No, no,
I think to part of growing up, too. We had these conversations all the time by I don’t think until I really had that conversation with my mom at that age. I didn’t realise so there were so many times in my childhood, mom would just get us all into the car and go, come on, we’re going on an adventure. And we go to some random place a moment to sit on the bench and talk to herself or we’d go and play on the playground. And we just thought her mom was crazy. Yeah, she’s always talking to herself. And then when I was 15, she explained that she all throughout her life, part of her spirituality, and part of her gift was really helping release earthbound spirits. So in all those magical mystery tours that she took us on, she was actually sitting in talking to spirits and helping them cross over and, you know, reconcile whatever, they have not reconciled in their flesh life so that they could pass over. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, so. So that was all a bit. And then I got obsessed with horror movies. And we watched The Exorcist a million times. And then all of this other stuff started happening to me as part of my journey as well. So that’s kind of where it really took off.
Bryan McCartney
People often talk about that generational trauma, especially with Indigenous Australians through Stolen Generation and that sort of thing. Do you think that has played a part in your connective ability as
a person, I think, you know, part of that spiritual connection to land. I think nine two and I just want to put out a disclaimer, I do respect to that there’s a lot of people in the spiritual world medium world that don’t believe in, you know, following the light and helping spirits cross over and don’t believe in Earthbound spirits. But I think being Aboriginal and growing up knowing that every place has very particular spirits of that place. And they are very, I suppose earthbound because they are restricted by boundaries, because of attached age, you know, physical place. So that definitely played a massive part in my understanding of the spirit world. And I believe it also plays a massive part in my protection as well, in the work that I do. We are very mindful to in particularly when we do investigations, but anywhere we go, we always do an acknowledgement before we go and make sure that we’re actually getting permission from the spirits of that place before we go forward. Because we certainly don’t want to upset the the beings of each area.
Bryan McCartney
Because it’s like coming into someone’s house, right? Their space, their place.
And now make it very known if they don’t want you there. So we want to make sure that one we’re not, we’re not doing anything, disrespectfully as well. So, you know, there’s a lot of kind of ceremony and protection that we kind of do before we do each tour as well. And in any of the private investigations that we do in people’s homes to even though it’s a flush person’s home, we recognise that it’s First Nations spirits that live in the land that that house is on. So we want to make sure that we are respecting them before we go anywhere.
Bryan McCartney
Tell us more about the is it parietal?
Yes, yeah. Okay, so pariah paranormal. They’re on Facebook, so I’ll shamelessly plug them
Bryan McCartney
and I’ll pop links into the Episode Notes as well for quiet corner and prior paranormal so I’ll put those all employed.
Excellent. Thanks, mine. So
Bryan McCartney
like what would a typical night on a tour tell us about your favourite place to take tours? Gosh,
I’ve got a couple of favourite places. Jets Leagues Club is actually one of my favourites. We get a lot of activity there. So I just want to put out a disclaimer to
Bryan McCartney
work in club. Yes. Okay, cool.
So it’s funny because you’ve got like the pub area downstairs and everyone’s you know, charging on and that time and then upstairs, we’re talking to dead people. So it’s always quite funny because sometimes you’ll see people will take a wrong turn and they’ll come up and they’ll look at you like in here I’m out. And a lot of the members of the team are quite technical, so they use a lot of spirit communication equipment. I’m useless I have to apologise to any of the two guests that come because they’ll come and they’ll say, Oh, what’s this piece of equipment and I’ll be like, ah, yeah, you know, that uses kinetic energy and it’s an F two metre and something, and someone else will come along and go, that’s a k two metre, and it uses electric ion, it was something,
Bryan McCartney
it was a two and a letter. Board, I’m gonna wear my car.
I’m just here for the readings,
Bryan McCartney
I’m the speaker, you need
to speak directly to the Spirit. So don’t they use quite a lot of equipment and and there’s the, it’s just growing exponentially. So the equipment that people come up with is just mind blowing. But they’ve got amazing, really cool technical stuff. So they’ve got like, laser grids that kind of map out a physical body shape. So when spirits walk through it, you can kind of see in all the dots that kind of makes out the shape of a person. Then we’ve got the spirit boxes, which is probably what we use the most. Because if
Bryan McCartney
you’re going to have to explain to me what a spirit box is very different, I’m sure.
I’m gonna apologise because Dwayne will probably message me. That is not what it is. But anyway, spirit boxes, kind of scan radio frequencies. So they’ll scan radio channels, and they tend to go backwards. So oftentimes, you’ll get just random one word. So that kind of come through in different voices, a lot of music gets played as well. So in the spirit world, what they do is they use the radio frequencies to actually communicate with us. So oftentimes, particularly for using pendulum boards, or spirit boards, will have the spirit box in the background, and whatever we ask, it’ll start to spell it out. But they answer quicker on the spirit board. So on the spirit box, sorry. So they kind of validate what we’re actually picking up on the boards as well. Yep. And there’s lots of, you know, like sensor, motion sensor detectors. Yeah, I think I got that wrong. So they’ll kind of you know, they’ll lay the flashlights, or they’ll make sounds when there’s particular energies breaking an electric laser boundary. Also, what else do we use? Oh, the cat balls are actually the really the coolest thing. So cat balls. So funnily enough, they were made as cat toys. And they’re kind of like a clear ball. And it flushes different coloured lights. So you know, it’s, again, it’s a motion sensor, so you have to kind of push it or shake it to make it light up. And oftentimes, when there’s spirits in the room, the cat balls will go off. Yeah, right. So it’s really interesting when we have guests on to ah, your watch the guests, because oftentimes, if there’s one of their loved ones, their past loved ones trying to communicate with them. Your watch everywhere they go, the cat balls will light up wherever they’re standing. Yeah. And everyone’s like, oh, there’s a spirit in the room. I’m like, Ashley, it’s everywhere you are. So I need you to come over here, because one of your spirit teams trying to get in touch with you. Yeah. And why? Say
Bryan McCartney
people respond to that. So obviously, come on, it goes to it. They understand that’s what they’re there for. But maybe that’s not what they’re expecting.
Yeah. And it’s really funny, because sometimes I have to put out a disclaimer. So my, I suppose specialty is the pendulum boards and the spirit boards. And I do get a lot of information through there. So oftentimes, we had a young man attend one time, and his stepdad came through and said, drugs are bad. And he kind of looked at me and he’s like, I don’t stop doing it. Right. And he’s like, and stop driving the car like you do. And he goes on, I’m a really good driver. Dad says otherwise. Yeah, so. So sometimes, like your secrets and secrets when you come on tour, either. Oftentimes, to like, we’ll have people that are very much in different parts of their journey, or, you know, so some people are just kind of starting out their spiritual journey and are a little bit curious and wanted to kind of find out what’s happening. So sometimes when the spirits are trying to communicate with them, they’re looking at me, like, I don’t know if I want to know that. So oftentimes, in those situations, I’ll say whatever questions you’ve got just asking your head so that you know that it’s not me. It’s actually a spirit spilling it out. And then other people are just so fascinated. They’re like, I don’t want to go home. Can we keep doing this forever? So yeah, I think everyone’s kind of at different levels in their journey. Some people are super fascinated, some people come and they’re like, you know, I thought this was a history tour. And this is not
Bryan McCartney
surprising. History.
We can give you the history while you’re here, and they’re like no, this is not
Bryan McCartney
what a horse’s mouth history in fact, yeah.
Exactly. No interference, no interpretation. Yeah, history books. No, you know what, Washington what actually happened?
Bryan McCartney
Yeah. Wow. That must be incredible. I can’t imagine you must say some pretty crazy stuff. I’ll
look some of the stuff we get is just phenomenal.
Bryan McCartney
The one that sticks in your mind. Gosh,
we went and did. I won’t say the name because I don’t want to. I don’t know if we’re I had to actually publicly discussed this, but we did a place in the city. And it’s currently a backpackers Hotel. So again, you probably guess which one it is anyway. But that was just phenomenal. Like the activity that we got there was just next level. And I think we got times mixed up. So there was a lot of patrons that were kind of using a public area that was supposed to be cordoned off for the art part of our tour. So we got a little bit more time than we were expecting upstairs. So we’re kind of doing an investigation before the guests arrived, and were part of the investigation. But there was one room in particular up there. And even before we started, I was getting a lot of information on the way there. So I just started kind of relaying all the information to the team members. And they were like, and it just kind of connected. And then we went upstairs. And before I even got there, I kind of picked up because obviously, a lot of backpackers coming through that place, they have their own cultural and spiritual understandings of the way things happen. And because of the spiritual activity in the rooms upstairs, we found like little protection pieces out there. So there was a little doll and there was a little kind of hand woven cross, and there was a clump of hair with mud kind of stuck to the walls and stairwells. So that was really interesting, but just mind blowing the amount of activity that was there. But there was one Murray spirit in particular, who was very staunch, and kept pushing everybody out. So he was happy to communicate with me. But he didn’t want anybody else in the room. And he didn’t want them messing it up. And when he was talking to me, he said, it’s a really sad place. And people shouldn’t be here, because what actually happened was, there was a lot of mothers, not just Aboriginal mothers, but a lot of unwed mothers that were coming in, and they’d go into labour, and they’d be put to sleep. And then they’d wake up to be told that their babies had passed. Obviously, they hadn’t been had been adopted out to other families. So that was really quite particularly difficult, because he was very upset, the people were up there. And he wasn’t happy about our tours. So we ended up having to block that particular room off and just guide the guests into other areas. But every piece of equipment that we were trying to use, and every time we were trying to communicate, we’d get some spirits coming through, and then he can block the communication. Yeah. So I think sometimes it’s really important to kind of know, the true history of a place. And it’s very difficult because all of the information that we’re given, it’s obviously colonial interpretations, of course. And when we turn up to places to it can be very quite upsetting because of what actually went down. And I
Bryan McCartney
think for us here in Queensland, as well, we lost a lot of our heritage places in the 80s, when we had a particular government that really didn’t see the necessity for maintaining that heritage or absolute history. So, you know, we have all of these developments and stuff that goes on and, and people don’t understand the connection of land to the story of the place.
And I think that can be quite difficult to because you know, in particular areas that where we might be investigating an actual dwelling. So we might be investigating a house. But before that wood was a house, it might have been a sacred space, or it might have been a men’s space or a woman’s space. So having opposite sexes there is quite offensive and not appropriate. So it can really challenge the investigation and challenge our interpretation of information coming through as well.
Bryan McCartney
Out of the places where you do tours now what would be your favourite, he said Jasper?
Yeah, I love jets lakes club. And I am very respectful to I know that. I call it a spirit board. So I don’t use a traditional weedy board. He is a spirit board, which is kind of more of a Celtic kind of interpretation of the witchy board. And I know a lot of people don’t appreciate that I would never ever push anybody to use any of the equipment that they’re not comfortable with. But I have a particular I suppose passion, you know, talent or whatever. Exactly. So I’m quite happy to sit on the spirit board and we get so much communication at jets Leagues Club, particularly through the spirit board too. And it’s always really interesting. And really clear communication as well. And I don’t know what it is about that room upstairs. But it tends to be that we get a lot of direct information for guests as well, which is probably the my most favourite part of the tour. But yeah, and there’s there’s been some very special spirits that have come through jets legs comp, are they
Bryan McCartney
the same people usually or is it dependent on who’s on the tour? Yeah,
it didn’t generally depends on who’s on the tour. But obviously like each dwelling that we investigate this particular spirits that kind of stay there. Wilson and farmhouse we do as well. So there’s a couple of the Aboriginal truckers worked with them, Stephen Simpson in the early days. And then again, unfortunately, they were put to death, they were accused of a crime that they didn’t commit. And they were hung for it. So that can be quite a challenge to to get people to understand that we’re not just respecting that they are passed, we’re respecting the way that they pass to, and that there is oftentimes a lot of history and trauma that’s attached to spirits and their story as well. So we want to make sure that whatever information we’re getting, we can confirm it with the spirits too. But uncle yami is a bit of a card. He is absolutely hilarious. He’s got a bit of a soft spot for Dwayne too. So he loves to come through and squared away. Particularly on the quiet nights when no one’s paying attention, and he’ll just come through or he’ll follow us upstairs, you know, we might be reading or have a spirit box upstairs, and he’ll pop through and call her name and then disappear again. But yeah, he’s quite funny.
Bryan McCartney
When you obviously have all of the like the technology, the equipment, all of that sort of stuff. Do you also get any physical reactions or responses to when they’re around? Yeah,
absolutely. So it depends on where we go. Laidley pine, pine, a village is also another favourite part. So we have a spirit there. His name is Michael. And he lives in the I mean, we were told it’s been many different things a doctor’s office, a lowly shopper, walk. But the way that I became part of the team was actually a guest on one of their tours at Laidley, Pioneer Pioneer Village, and with my friends, Paige and scar, so we went there. We went into the morgue, and then we’re using the spirit board and are kind of asking if anyone wants to join in on my heart to stand back and watch and then my name got spilled out. So I was like, Okay, I’ll jump on. And then Michael came through. He didn’t know his name at the time, but his favourite thing to do was stand in the corner doorway, and he seen women’s ears. They were standing in the doorway. So when he was introducing himself, he’s like, Oh, no, I promise I won’t swear it you came I like you. Said, I’m not Dampier hissing in my ear. So you can communicate with me with Don’t hit me. He’s like, yep, sweet, I won’t touch you. So I think sometimes, too, I’m always very, like Dwayne get scratched quite a lot. And spirits really have a special connection with domains. So they oftentimes try to get his attention. Whereas I’m always very clear. I don’t like being touched. Yeah, quite happy to communicate with you. And you’re able to come through any of the tools and equipment that we’re using, but don’t touch me. My son doesn’t say, he didn’t swear at me. He swore it with Dwayne a lot. So his favourite word to Cordwainers the C word.
Bryan McCartney
So we weren’t saying that.
Yes, Carbuncle. Yeah. Yeah. So that’s how we know it’s him. And if the wind is not giving them enough attention, that’s what he’ll start spelling out on the spirit board. So that’s quite interesting. He did propose to sky My might as well. But we had to let him down gently and say that spirits don’t tend to marry flesh people. So
Bryan McCartney
it’s not a relationship that’s written in the stars. Definitely not. Now, apart from the toys and that sort of stuff. So also with quiet corner, so you do a whole range of other things. So tarot and readings and that sort of thing. I imagine people come to you in that phase of grief when they’ve lost someone. And for answers and stuff.
Yeah, definitely, like some people come through. Because, you know, most often, you’ll find that there’s kind of seems to be that there’s themes for particular modalities that they choose, so you can kind of, you know, assume what they’re coming for, depending on what type of reading they’re they’re requesting. So the pendulum boards, we use a pendulum which is made out of crystal, and we use a pendulum board, which is just a round disc that’s got letters and numbers on it. And oftentimes, the spirits will use the pendulum to kind of point to different letters and spell out words. pendulums are also used to kind of connect with your higher self as well. So any messages that we need to hear from our higher self will come in, it’s more direct communication there. Whereas tarot cards are really more past, present and future snapshot. So it’s kind of like, well, this is what’s happened in the past, this is kind of what’s currently happening. This is the messages that are coming through this is the information that you need to hear, these are the ways that you can kind of make your life work better for you. Or you can stay on your current trajectory and, and working as you go. Whereas Reiki is definitely more about energy work. So it’s really about you know, clearing all that kind of energetic debris that kind of gets stuck in the energy systems and kind of moving that on to get your body to kind of kickstart its own sort of self healing processes.
Bryan McCartney
Okay. And so when people come to you, and they’re in that and grief phase? How does that sort of, you know, how does what you do offer some confidence support to them potentially? And how do you protect yourself from taking on that grief?
Yeah, it’s really interesting, because a lot of times too, like, for example, I might get information that comes through. And it’s very important for any person that’s kind of reading even in, you know, like psychology and counselling to, we all interpret things through our own personal lenses. So you know, cultural lenses, societal lenses, the way that we’ve been raised our own understanding of how the spirit world actually is. So sometimes I’ll get a whole heap of information, but I’m not, I can kind of feel that it’s not quite right to present it in the way that I’m receiving it. So it is quite challenging, I tend to have a real affinity with and connection with people who’ve experienced sexual violence and sexual abuse in their lives as well. So it is quite hard, because sometimes, you know, I’ll be tearing up because of the information that I’m kind of picking up because I can feel the pain that exists in that other person. So sometimes, I’ll kind of have to take a minute and put my poker face on and get back in the game. But it’s very hard to not go on that journey with them. Because you can see, you know, and hear how challenging it is for them to work through that. But then, when their spirits give them messages to let them know, you know what, that they’re not crazy, that they’re hearing them and interpreting them every time they there. And to a lot of the time, the most important part of what I do is actually offering people closure. So they might have had, you know, oftentimes people come and say, I wasn’t there from my morals, and they have a dad when they passed over. Or, you know, they might have had a really challenging relationship with that person. And that person comes through and says, like, I’m really sorry, but there was something wrong with my brain. It was never about you was more about, you know, the physical imbalances in my head. And that actually gives a person an opportunity to grieve properly and heal through that process as well.
Bryan McCartney
Yeah. You can, we can share. So when you came in today, you had a little message for me, which was a welcome to share.
It was really funny, because it wasn’t kind of until I got to the set of lights that we were just coming into Underwood. And I got this flash of a gentleman, an older gentleman, tapping his wrist and pointing to this watch. And I’m like, I don’t know if that’s for Brian or not. And then I’ve got this picture of I don’t know if other people have seen it. But now there’s blow up fleas that pest control people use as like, marketing material, and they hung them up. And the watch was sitting next to that. So I was like, oh, maybe he’s got like a blow up play at home or something. The watch is sitting next day. So I don’t know if that makes sense. And ruins looking at me because I used to have my dad’s watch. And he’s like, Oh, hang on a minute. Yeah, Dad used to call me fleece. I was like, Oh, my God. could have just showed me the word. But anyway, I can assure
Bryan McCartney
you, I don’t have any blow up toys.
Bryan McCartney
Definitely. Which is really interesting, because you know, and then I got that instant, sort of physical, you know, the goosebumps and that sort of stuff, which is, for me a bit of validation. Absolutely. You know, that was the message. When did that sort of first become apparent to you, I guess, as an adult, like, obviously growing up with this, but when you sort of could actually sit down and go, Hey, I’ve got this gift, I’m going to make it part of who I am always,
I think interestingly, too. So part of growing up to we were always taught that our spiritual gifts were never to be exchanged for money. So it’s been a real challenge of mine to make it a business. And I’m certainly very open to swapping services. So I’ve got a number of clients that we will swap services because I’m very comfortable with doing that. But it really has been a challenge for me to kind of overcome my own money story, I suppose. And understand that this is a valid, you know, modality, gift, whatever you want to call it that I can offer. And really, I’ve had to 100% back myself, particularly this last year, because I’ve given up my job in the corporate world. And I’ve invested my whole self into doing this full time. And yeah, it’s been quite a challenge to really back myself and know that, you know, because growing up tell you a lot of times particularly in the early days where people didn’t understand what I did that often say oh, she’s crazy or she’s making it up or
Bryan McCartney
they still say that. Exactly.
Anyone who knows me knows I’m crazy. Exactly, but I think some people will go oh, you know, like you’re just making that awkward so easy to interpret or you know, if you know body language, you’ll know how to trick people and I’ve watched The Mentalist. I know what you people do kind of thing.
Bryan McCartney
That was my next question. Actually. How do you deal with the sceptics? Because I’m sure you would encounter out to them
all the time. It’s quite funny too, because like, I’ve got an Instagram page and oftentimes I’ll, you know, I might do reels or I might chuck up some Sunday readings I like to do as well. And so often you’ll just get this is such BS What a joke she’s making it up or that’s not your spirit she talking to you. That’s your other 27 personalities. I know the difference between my other personalities and my spirits. Thank you. So oftentimes, I just I think it’s quite funny. And I think, particularly in this busyness, you need to be able to not take things personally. Everybody’s exactly everybody’s on their own journey. Everybody has a different understanding of the spirit world. Even the way that I’ve interpreted the spirit world. I can’t guarantee that that’s actually what how it exists kind of thing. It’s just how I’ve interpreted it. So yeah,
Bryan McCartney
Spirit ever give you a little gems to throw back at them work? Shut up, told me you just lost your licence again.
And it’s quite funny, because I’ve had that before, like, Oh, you’re only saying that because your mother abandoned you when you were three, raised by a dad who had major issues? And is now a woman. Yeah, so you’re struggling with your own identity. And they’re like, so sometimes it just like a one word rubbish. And they might say, it’s like, she knows you. So yeah, sometimes, but, you know, most of the time would bite my tongue. Yeah, take it with a grain of salt. And I mean, even when, you know, I’ve had situations to one in particular, I can remember how a young woman came in, you know, and she was speaking about a dad, she lost her dad a couple of years ago. And she was like, my dad was the best thing ever. And then her dad was coming through. And he was like, I had a major addiction issue. She was around a lot of really unsavoury people, we never had a stable roof over our head, we were like couch surfing. And you know, half the time, I wasn’t feeding her and she missed half the school year. And you know, he was saying all of this stuff to me. And then she’s like, Oh, my God, I had the best childhood, we just had so much fun. We’re, you know, we’re always staying with different people. And I had all these different people in my life. And there was so much fun. And they knew if dad hadn’t cooked, they’d go and get me a happy meal from McDonald’s. So she had a completely different interpretation of what dad was trying to come through. And he was trying to come through and say, like, I’m really sorry, for the way that your wife turned out and the way that I raised you, and she was like, that was the best thing ever.
Bryan McCartney
Yeah, that was the bid. I love them. Exactly. So I think
it’s very important that we do kind of understand too, that there’s different ways of interpreting, and sometimes I’ll get information, and it just feels like it’s probably not the best time to expose that information or translate that information. So I might kind of dance around a few things and gauge where they’re at whether they’re ready to hear it. But most of the time, sometimes my mouth goes before my brain has time to stop. And the information just kind of falls out. So yeah, sorry, people.
Bryan McCartney
Obviously, you would have some pretty strong views on death and dying. Yeah, well, what are they? Well, look,
I have a very practical approach to death, I think and sometimes I, you know, I just, it’s literally like, they’re just taking off the flesh suit. And they’re still there. And you know, that they’re still there. And constantly, you’ll have spirits coming through going. I’ve been sending her so many signs. I know she’s looking for a signing a song, but I don’t know how many songs she needs. So yeah, it’s quite interesting, because I have to pull myself back in sometimes too, because I think because I have such a pragmatic approach to death. That I forget that for some people, it’s just seem so final for them that they don’t interpret the same way that I do that their spirits from literally like, I can see your mom standing next year. She’s not left you, she has always been with you. But they just feel such a massive loss. And such a big part of them. It’s missing a mom standing there going like talk to her every day. I’ve I haven’t left her side since I’ve gone over, you know, so. And I think too, like my grandma passed a couple of years ago. And I got to be a part of that journey when she was crossing over. And it was just such an honour to be there. She had a stroke. So it took her a couple of days to actually pass. But during that process, you know, she’d lost her ability to speak. But she was still communicating with us. So it was actually really nice for me to be able to, I suppose repay her in some ways because I could stand by her and you know, wipe her tears away and hold her hand and comfort her like she did for me when I was younger. But I got to be privy to these conversations that she was having with people that have passed over that we’re waiting to take her home. And you know, the nurses will come and go oh, you know, she’s lucid, so don’t don’t take anything that she says on board and I’m like, I know that my grandfather and her sons and her mom and dad and her sisters are all standing there waiting for her. And she’s talking to the dogs that, you know we grew up with that she had as pets. So I think it’s you got to be really mindful that everybody has very different interpretations. But I see that as a very real process. Whereas, obviously, in the medical community, it’s, you know, that lucidity that they experiencing
Bryan McCartney
the brain giving us those last few days of coping and that sort of stuff. I think it’s really interesting as funeral directors, we hear stories like that, from families all the time of, you know, when a person is in their final moments of life, and they’re talking to, you know, husband that might have passed or, and they see these looks in their face, and in their eyes of just pure peace and relaxation. You know, not everybody is fortunate enough to have a good death. So not everybody has that. And I’m a believer that we choose that before we come here anyway. So our lives have prepared us for that up until that point, but I think for anyone who can have the ability to have a good death, we should absolutely let them and I think through things like what you can offer and that you give to people, it’s such an important part of that journey. Yeah. How can people get in touch with you again?
Well, I’m on Facebook, so corner, on Facebook, I’m also on Instagram. So again, it’s that quiet corner. And I do have a website too, which is www dot Koco corner.com. So it’s k i A page
Bryan McCartney
will pop those links in the Episode Notes. And if you’re going to send any shade Kim’s way, be prepared for it to come right back out here real quick, real fast and real hard.
Absolutely. That’s the favourite part of my job.
Bryan McCartney
He’s been awesome talking to you today. Kim, thank you so much for joining us.
Thank you for having me. Appreciate it.
Bryan McCartney
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