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Bryan McCartney
Today I’m joined by Tracy Dixon who just happens to be my incredible mortuary services manager at McCartney family funerals, and another one of my favourite people. Hi, Tracy.
Tracy Dixon
Hi. That’s a lovely introduction.
Bryan McCartney
It’s not a bad introduction. Yeah.
Tracy Dixon
Lovely. Thank you.
Bryan McCartney
Tracy. You’ve worked with me for a little while now. No. More than two years. Yeah.
Tracy Dixon
Yeah. Two years come January. Yeah. That’s gone quick. Hasn’t it’s gone very quick. Very far. I feel like I’ve been here all the time.
Bryan McCartney
I feel that way as well. I didn’t know what we ever did with that.
Oh, that’s great. That’s really, really good.
Bryan McCartney
You’ve been a mortician for a lot longer than two
Tracy Dixon
years there, right? Yeah, yeah. Coming up. 10 years. Now.
Bryan McCartney
Tell us about your mortician. Journey.
Well, I’m supposed to start from the very beginning. Very beginning. Oh, you all from how I got there. Okay.
Bryan McCartney
We weren’t tell your origin story. But we’ll come to that later. But tell us about your your very first start in in more tree. How did more tree happen for you?
Okay, well, it started after being in. I worked for a corporate company. I approached them for interest working in the military. But there was no more tree jobs at the time. And I got to work as an FDA. So it’s a funeral directors assistants. So for nearly a year, I did that job. But shadow another mortician because I knew I wanted to be in and they were happy for me to pop in and out there when I wasn’t busy doing funerals and services and things. So it started from there, how I got in. And it became where I was just getting more and more training. And again, more and more work. And then the start, then eventually, they put me in the mortuary full time because we had a bit of a change around. So a lady that had been there a long time was moving. And they needed somebody to hold the fort in a particular room that was going to be empty, nobody in so I kind of got thrown in on my own on the deep end. I was like, Oh,
Bryan McCartney
I couldn’t think of anyone better to take on that role.
So it kind of it was a graduation from doing funeral services, which was actually a good way to get in, because then I seen it from the outside, before, you know, seeing meeting the families and doing the services and how it all works on the outside before actually going into the mortaring been. I suppose when you’re in the mortuary you’re behind everything, and you’re not out in the front, and the families don’t see you very often unless you have a family dressing or review and that you’re involved in. But I struggled to do services, mainly because I used to cry a lot.
Bryan McCartney
And for our listeners, we do have plenty of tissues for today as well, just in case at the ready.
Yeah, I find it I struggle a bit when I actually meet the families, you know, and it’s because then you find out their lives and you listen to the eulogies. And it’s quite heartbreaking. You know, you get that connection, which, you know, sometimes struggle with.
Bryan McCartney
I think that’s the difference, though. And what makes you incredible at what you do is you have that genuine connection and care for what you offer for our families and the service you provide.
Yeah, I think I do because my connection is every time I touch your body, it’s as if another person well, it’s my mom, dad, sister, brother, you know, niece, nephew, whatever. It’s very, very personal. And it’s when we when you you’re actually dealing with a deceased body. You’ve actually got the family’s permission, these family do not know who you are. To give you the Well, I would say the privilege to take care of their loved one. Yeah. And it’s, you know, it’s an honour. Really? Yeah. Because I’m a complete stranger. And I can totally from my own history of what’s gone on privately in my own life, that I would want the best for my loved one going into somebody is more true. Yeah, I want the best. So I think from my personal what happened to me in my life and their family members I’ve lost is how how my development in the mortars happened to take care of this in a way that I think, you know, has to be has to be priority, that person on that table has to be priority. You got to look after them on your own.
Bryan McCartney
And so obviously, there’s a couple of different roles in the military so that we have mortuary technicians and military assistance as well as embalmers. So you’re an embalmer now, and you are a mortuary technician before that. What’s the difference? It’s between an embalmer and a mortuary technician.
Okay, so a mortuary technician can be one of two things where you actually can be assistant with an embalmer, and another qualified mortician, which is what happens when you first learn the job because it’s on the job training. We don’t have mortuary school here like the doing other countries. And you can also be your once you’ve done your training, you’re out on your own, which is what I did in the technician is basically you do the basic body preps, which is basically wash dress, hair, medical, and coffin. And you learn to develop skills where you’re going to do a bit more in a way you got entries equal to look after and eventually you can specialise in, say reconstruction, which is what I did. You still don’t have to be an embalmer to do that. But you do eventually have to know embodiment skills that you have to use in these. So the difference is you’re doing more of the basic preparations, and an embalmer is then where we go into more of the the preparation of where we’re doing an arterial embalm, which is totally different from the basic wash, dress and hair and makeup.
Bryan McCartney
And embalming is more about preserving the body, right? So it’s for more long term or people want their loved one to go home and that sort of thing. It’s about preventing the purification as to Yeah. Because there’s the biology of the human body and all those things that happen after we die that definitely makes us not, you know, able to just sort of stay in our current state without any treatment.
Yeah, and I think I think people don’t realise how rapidly we do deteriorate once we pass because we’re organic matter, like any other organic matter, and bacteria gets in and it will do its job as what it does and eats away. You know, decomposition can be very fast in some cases. Yeah. And the case it’s slow. It depends. You know, you got your temperatures all refrigerated or know what what was the cause of death what medication there’s a lot of reasons people that decompose faster than other people. And embalming is the really great way to to stop that and preserve that body for whether it be few weeks to a few months to a few years. You know, it all depends on the level of embalming you want to go to.
Bryan McCartney
Now you haven’t always been working in a mortuary you had a life before more tree. What did you do before more tree?
Tracy Dixon
Oh, I’ve had a very life. Yeah. You might tell them from the UK.
Bryan McCartney
I don’t think anyone knows.
Oh, oh, for nearly 20 years, I was a hairdresser. beautician there. You know, when in the salon with Yvonne was my Boston partner we Yeah. We had some good times in there many years. There was a I loved that job. And eventually I had to leave because I’ve dermatitis there wasn’t medical reasons I had to go on, on Oh, my goodness, what am I going to do? And I was always interested in working with, I suppose deceased bodies, I don’t know. But I was always interested in that. And I decided I thought, Oh, I’ll go into my photography course. Because I would really like to work in the soccer team in the UK, which the scenes are crimes officers. And you don’t have to be a police officer. Here in Australia, you’ve got to be a police officer to be in that department. You can be a civilian in the UK, and join started pursuing that did my photography and doing that but in the meantime, I was also applying to come to Australia. So things were happening and after my hairdressing and I did get a job as in the Blood Service, which is a red cross here. So I used to take units of blood. So for five years I work there while doing all my other training to try and get into soccer team loved the Blood Service seven lives totally different from what I’m doing now even lives every day. Anyway, it was near and the end of the course, but the visa came through for Australia. First I ended up common to Australia Bundanon the dream of working at the soccer, the soccer team in the UK. And the job ended up I became a phlebotomist here, so I’m a VENA punctures because of working for the Blood Service. So I got a job in you know, the, you probably know SNP, Solomonic lady’s work there for a long time. I did some training there and also do My train train and I used to train people and and then it’s gone from there to lead me into eventually coming into the funeral industry. I did do a brief two years as a sales rep selling needles and syringes. That was not what I really liked. You know, it was good Monday, but yeah, unless unless they else kind of girls travelling around, but it was good travelling around for a while, but and eventually I just found a funeral company and said, Hey, I’d really like to get back into this kind of work, which is more tree work. And, you know, because I don’t want to join the police here in Australia and do that seems crime working, I was never going to get that. So I thought, oh, what can I do? And I thought, I know, I can help other people. I’ve got hairdressing skills. That’s a good one. I’ve got some health skills. You know, I’m really good at known anatomy and everything working there in the Blood Service and doing that my pathology work like blood samples with one more tree that would be the job and applied and the rest is history. And now he told you.
Bryan McCartney
And I guess most people wouldn’t have drawn that sort of conclusion to move from hairdressing and beauty into the Blood Service and then into mortuary that comes from a pretty personal experience of your own as to why are you happy to share that with us today?
Yeah, yeah, there was another reason behind me deciding more tree work as opposed to the scenes at home. Because when I was doing the in scenes crime thing and looking into all that, and my mom, she was my biggest fan interview, or was, she used to say to my family, oh, she’s gonna be a forensic pathologist. I know mom’s not and what I’m going to be, and usually was my biggest fan. But when it when I applied for the mod tree. It’s really hard. There was another reason behind it. And it was before I came to Australia, but I’m really hard.
Bryan McCartney
You take your dog.
Yeah, my mom was killed. Obviously, you’re expected. She was on all the day model. My dad, my dad just retired. They were they were revisiting. They were revisiting Hamilton because my mom dad lived there for a long time because my dad was in the Navy in the British Royal Navy. And, and they were out there. My mom was just a few days into the holiday. And she was crossing the road when there’s been car came in, in the curb and took out my dad’s hand. And the one thing that happened after that was the injuries that apparently was so horrific, that we were never allowed to see her. And then and I have no idea what the motor skills are in Malta. And we had to repatriated back to the UK. And in the police said we can only identify by photograph. And we were not allowed to see her. So we had a cloth coffin view. And now it was hard because you’ve got the coffin, but you don’t believe there’s anybody in there. Yeah. And it’s really, it’s really pretty shit, actually. But you know, anyway, it took me took me nearly 10 years to come to terms with that she wasn’t gonna walk in the door one day, I still think she might do that one time. So the main reason behind more tree work was if I could make these I’m trading up in skill to do something where I can help get a view and for families of victims that have been killed, suddenly died suddenly. And have been told the can’t have humans. Maybe that could help that one person. And that would help me in and specialised in reconstruction when I started in the mortuary and I found it one fascinating It was fascinating. And the fact that you can rebuild somebody from a horrific accident and get them to view is it’s amazing. Yeah. And because I know behind a nor if they do not get their view and know what their next 10 years are going to be. Yeah, just know the trauma. They’re going to have not have enough goodbye. And so it spurred me into doing it reconstruction and being able to help on family member and then two, then three, then there was more. And so it might be a little selfish, but it actually healed me and actually helped me come to terms my mom’s loss. And actually, it helps me through my grief. I still everyday wish she was here. And every day thinks she’s gonna pop through the door memories. But you know, mom can recall it for that recipe, you know? But, but when I say the families, and they, and I get the comments back on, oh, my god, I’m so pleased I could do that, then that’s healed me again. Yeah. So it’s, is, it does help me, it actually does help.
Bryan McCartney
I’ve seen you do a number of reconstructions of family members that, you know, in, in my history in the last 10 years in the funeral industry, any other mortician absolutely would have just said no, not possible. It’s incredible, the work that he can do without too much detail. Can you tell us exactly what reconstruction involves? And maybe give us an example of, of a reconstruction you’ve taken care of?
Yeah. Wow. There’s some basic reconstruction which here they say somebody had a horrific accident, and they’ve had a limb removed an arm or a leg can reattach. You know, which, which is basically clean and and suture and, and reattach in the limbs. So the whole again, one person, but if you’re talking about major reconstruction, say something similar to what my mom where she had no face, hardly. The head was all smashed up. I have done many reconstructions on people that have no face at all, and no head, there’s tissue left there, there’s the skulls usually smashed up and how, what we can do is, we can gather all the pieces together, like a jigsaw puzzle, we can reconstruct the skull, and what’s missing, we can, it’s basically like an art class. You know, most of the stuff you use is what you use in art, you’ve got clear body. So you got all this kind of stuff. So you can rewire the skull is what we do is clean it and we’ll drill little holes in and wire it back and get them little jigsaw pieces put together and get as much out as we have available. And then we can reattach that sometimes this the face is not there completely, we have bits, you can start rebuilding what you have, but then on top of that you can rebuild with clear and latex and makeups. And in the skill is just been quite, you’ve got to be quite good at art. You know, I was always good at art as a young girl and love my art. So it’s it’s like a craft. So you go to your art shop, you do modelling it’s just like rebuilding in your what you’re going to do is get that photograph of that loved one. Get your dimensions right. It’s all you know, it’s got to be quite precise, but when when we do reconstruction, we have to inform the family that they couldn’t be viewable, but there will never be the same. The same
Bryan McCartney
viewable recognisable. Yeah. Obviously not identical.
Not identical. And but we have to make sure because we don’t want to raise people’s expectations are gonna look exactly like the one seen them before the accident. So yeah, whatever the trauma is that happened. So there’s a lot of skill involved. And there’s a lot of tiny needle work involved.
Bryan McCartney
Shoot us patients. Yeah,
yes. And, for instance, I’ve had one Well, a couple of cases that takes nearly two to three weeks to complete the whole process from the beginning to the end. You know, just because it does take that long to rebuild a head and face everything. So it’s a long process, but I think a worthy one in the end.
Bryan McCartney
So through through the loss of your mum and your grief journey, you decided that you wanted to help other people, which is an incredible way to channel grief. Tell us a bit about your grief journey. How did that play for you?
Um, well, the the day I got the call I remember that day very well. I still remember that day like it was yesterday, I had only just started my new job in the Blood Service been there two weeks, and I was out on a training day with a big gang of team down in Leeds. And that’s like nearly an hour and a half, two hours from where I lived. My sister called me normal bifolds. Really, then there was mobile phones. It was the early 2000s. But you didn’t I didn’t have one and it was fine. And I was in a new job. And I got this call. My sister said, you’re going to have to sit down one now. No, you’re going to tell me my dad’s had heart attack and died because he’d had three heart attacks. And she went north mom and other members hit my knees on the floor because I collapsed and got a call. And somebody picked me up and she said, you know, mom’s been killed. And I went, and that just that day changed my life forever. That day, changed my life and the poor people I was going to train course I had all come home with me can enrol in a minibus for people having to deal with somebody in shock. It took me because she was in Malta. I didn’t believe she’d been killed. I thought she was on, you know, in hospital, I went, she’ll be coming home. And I’m saying to the family, it’ll be all good. It’ll be all good. And I’ve been in a relationship for nearly 17 years with a person. It was apparent a year after that, I decided that’s not what I want. It changed my life dramatically. It changed my life to the fact that Oh, my God, I couldn’t be gone tomorrow. And where we’ve been in this relationship, nothing awful. It was just a brother and sister was like, kinda live. And we made for 10 years. And we thought, no, maybe we should, you know. So that changed my life dramatically there. And, but I still couldn’t believe that my mom was dead. And I stopped. My photography course at that time when I was applying for the soccer team. Visa would come through and everything and you know, I met my husband, who was now two years after my mom was killed. And we, we came off to Australia. And it changed my life to the fact where I try and live my life. I struggled a lot. I struggled with the fact that grief, the grief was it was consuming. And I was consumed by it all of the time. And I was always, I don’t know what it was, but I was just forever. Lost. Yeah. But I wasn’t it was really strange. I got that. If anybody’s experienced a death of any kind, and especially a sudden death, you sometimes get tunnel vision a day or two after the death and you’re walking along the supermarket and you’re gone. Why is everybody okay? And all you can see is this dark tunnel and people around, you’re going, Yeah, life’s on. And why do you not know what’s going on with me? Do you not know? And I think I wasn’t a nice person, because that was a thing. You know, who was it? And I couldn’t process I couldn’t process my mom’s death. I just couldn’t do it. And even though I was in Australia, now I was having a new life, which is good. And I’m trying to live but it took me a long time to smile and laugh again. Because I felt that I shouldn’t be loving and smile. And because my mum would use she’s not here to do that. My mom was the funniest lady in the world. And she laughed and cried. And she always said, if anything ever happened to me, make sure you live your life. And so eventually, it was 10 years into when she gone and I was struggling big time I was struggling to focus properly and Corp. And I went to see a counsellor, a grief counsellor, which I should have done within the first few years her death. Yeah. Because that helped me immensely in it helped me understand that a need to stop need to stop dwelling on their being. I don’t know consumed by my mom’s death. I knew she wouldn’t want that and that’s no emotion to be doing.
And in that’s when I decided to also go into the funeral industry as well. You know, thinking, Oh, I am just consuming myself and not helping anybody else. So it was a long journey. To understand that you do need help,
Bryan McCartney
yeah. What do you think? Was the the key thing that the grief counsellor told you? Or gave you? What What was it that made such a profound difference for you?
Well, I think it was a lot of she gave me strategies to do and things. And I think it was the fact that she made me look at what I’ve just been living for the last 10 years, which was basically mechanical. Yeah. You know, I was still living my life. But it was mechanical. And she made me realise that. I don’t know, it was one point in the sessions, I heard I had a few. I think it was just the fact that she made me listen to what my mom would be telling me. In my head, I think she made me focus more on what my mom has always said to me. She said, we’re dead. T is you will have to live in, you know, keep on living life. So short, do it. You know, and my mom was a laugh and a giggle and she would, you know, and that’s what she said, always live your life. Because, you know, and I used to, there was a funny thing. My mom was a smoker for many years now say that shit will kill your Mom Stop smoking. And she went, don’t be silly. She’s got to put something on your gravestone says, I’m gonna walk out the door one day, and the boss might hit me. Hey, look what happened? Yeah, so it’s a funny.
Bryan McCartney
It’s crazy how life plays out, isn’t it? And you know, I think you taking your grief and your experience and really changing that for other people and making sure that other people don’t have to experience that is such an incredibly selfless thing to do. You know, for some people, they might find themselves triggered or traumatised by a being constantly surrounded by death. But for you, you’ve really been able to, yeah, do that for other people. Yeah.
And I never really thought about it that way. I’ve never really thought that that’s what I was doing to help another people. My family were mortified when the when found out what I was going to do my family’s mortified. My dad couldn’t believe it. He went, hi. I just think I need help dad. And he’s one. My family was so worried because of how I dealt with my mom’s death. They said you’ll never be able to do you just not caught. You know, and we know my mom had a centimetres that was too soft to clog. That’s a British thing. You know, and I’m too soft to stick to anything. And she’s very to an extent I am I’ll cry at the drop of a hat. But
Bryan McCartney
yeah, so just last week, for our listeners, Tracy had a family come in to say thank you and gave her a bunch of flowers and Tracy couldn’t couldn’t hold back the tears. No.
That was just so gorgeous. Yeah, yes, it was. So my family were mortified. And, and I went, look, if I can’t do it, I can’t do it or walk away. In then when I found when I actually got in and started doing it. I started talking to my mom. Yeah. Not like outwardly but more than my head. I actually started talking to her and had never talked to her. And never, you know, added because I didn’t want to believe it. Basically, I never did. And this helped me I just told the family you want this has helped me so much. And it did take a couple years to realise that it was helping me through the grief of my mom. And it helps in it’s still helped me to this day. Because I cry with families. Because I know I know that pain. And that pain is all for pain because pain is a chess bear and rip your heart out pin it actually physical. You think it’s not you don’t believe it when you say it’s a physical pain. But it actually is yeah, it actually rips your heart out. So in in the reason I cry a lot with families is because while I’m in the military, prepare my deceased, you know, our chat away, you know, a little bit, you know, go Oh, I hope you had a lovely life and the whole lean pub. But as soon as I meet the family, I’ve got a connection. Yeah, I don’t have any connections so I can deal with the death every day of a person because I don’t really know them. But you put me in front of that family then I have that connection and that back tears. Yeah. Just yeah, it’s a struggle. But, you know, I still do need this job,
Bryan McCartney
of course. And I think you I’ve worked with a number of morticians in my funeral Korean you absolutely are, by far the best mortician I’ve ever worked with. And I think it is because of your personal connection to what it is that you’re giving to a family and you know that caring compassion that you take is incredible. It’s something that I’m so proud of as your leader and you know, something that I know our families are really appreciative of. So from being hairdresser Beauty Therapy, interviewed hairdressers and beauty into the Blood Service then into mortician now, you’re incredibly successful YouTube host as well. Tell us a bit about are you dying to know and I’m going to pop a link into our episode notes for our listeners. So if they want to actually learn more about mortuary and what you do, they can pop onto your YouTube channel Have a look. But tell us about are you dying to know how did that come about?
Okay. Okay, my channel or you don’t know came about from my good friend Trish wood. It was her all her idea. Every time mean, Trish went out somewhere socially, or I’m a runner as well. So we got a lot of running events, and people would meet me and you need to do Oh, what do you do for a living? And then you go, Oh, I’m a mortician. And you’re dying to get that? Oh, change the subject? Oh, gosh, I’m dying to know, what’s it all about? You know? And then you got millions of questions, well tissues to say. And moreover, you telling them the same thing I hear all the time. So when Why don’t you just why don’t we do a YouTube channel and tell them there? Yeah, it’s the same questions. And we can answer the questions. And I went No. Oh, my God, no, and nobody will understand what I’m saying. No account. And so it stemmed it being gone two and a half years now. Yeah. And it stemmed from sitting in Patricia’s front room. The first few episodes are about, you know, the budget. It has, it has improved to begin with the recordings and everything. But it actually what happened with the channel. And Tricia is amazing, cuz she’s an ex journalist. So she’s really good at prompting and stop me from Jabra Anon, because at the end of talking a lot, and she can pull me rein me back in. And she’s really good at asking the questions that the viewers send in. But what’s happened with the YouTube channel, which we didn’t think because what we wanted to do was not hide anything behind the mortuary door. You know, it’s your families live on, you should know what happens, how they get prepared, what goes on, ask the questions, you know, we’ll answer them. And what happened is, we’ve got views and subscribers from all over the world, America and the UK and Africa are our biggest viewers. And we have had so many, I’m talking 1000s of emails, and messages from people that have said, thank you very much. You’ve just helped me in my grief journey, you know, and they’re asking us questions. We’re telling them the truth. We’re not sugarcoating it. We’re not me, it’s not about graphics, or Shawn, lots of awful stuff. It’s about just having a conversation about death. And it’s, it’s blown us away at how, how it’s grown in the way it’s grown. I just didn’t expect we were going to be helping helping people in the way we are. So it’s another journey of helping grieving families over the YouTube.
Bryan McCartney
And it’s, you know, it’s such an incredible thing to provide to our families. Because as people we often you know, even from your own experience, we think, worst case scenario, you know, we’ve watched so much TV and movies and all this external stimulus that makes us think every time something goes wrong, we don’t see it firsthand, or we don’t understand it firsthand, our brain takes us to the worst possible scenario, or worst case scenario. So I think what you’re doing there with a dying now is great, because you’re right, it takes that veil away from your mortuary. It takes the taboo away and I think you struggled with this at the very beginning of your iodine to know career but, you know, for industry, there was definitely some people who disagreed with what you did, because you took a bit of a light hearted approach, which I remember encouraging you saying, you know, it should be light hearted. Yes, it should be fun and people should be able to you know, have a laugh at some of the things that you have to do in a respectful
way. Oh, yeah. And it was never laughing at death we were never it was all respectful and opening up the doors for people to talk about death more like this podcast is growing and we need people to talk about death inevitable we all gonna do it’s gonna happen.
Bryan McCartney
And no
one is immune. Yeah. And I have had a lot of backlash and I still to this day from people I know in the military that are morticians embalmers in the industry on happy they don’t like it, but I just why can we hide? No, why should we hire we need to talk. We need to talk about it. We
Bryan McCartney
do and I think what it is is you know, these people who are responding negatively, people from industry who are Responding negatively, it’s because you’re actually sharing some of what they do, or potentially, you’re sharing a standard that they could never possibly achieve. And I think that’s that’s really the difference is you have such high standards in your mortuary and in your practice. And sharing that with people is such a wonderful thing. So I could see why some jealousy would probably creep in there from people who just aren’t capable. You know? But so where can people find you on YouTube? If they want to come in have a watch of your Are you dying to know channel?
So it’s, are you dying to know just as you said on YouTube, get on YouTube, go and look us up. We probably will pop up first all the time. I can subscribe. Live subscribe. Yeah. And everything. Well, we just get on there. Send us questions. That’s how we respond. We do questions we do try and get out and do tours. We still haven’t interview you, Brian. We got a few interviews. We
Bryan McCartney
have a couple of days to catch up.
So yeah, we’ll definitely have to get you on especially now because we need to know
Bryan McCartney
for ushering def fan takes hold we’ll have
we’ll promote you, don’t you over there. We got a lot of subscribers. Excellent. Time to listen to this thing. Hey, guy, listen to this. Now,
Bryan McCartney
before we finish, we’re nearly coming to the end. But before we do, I want to know what advice would you give to somebody who is in a state of grief, maybe specifically traumatic grief? How what advice would you give to help them with their grief journey?
I would definitely tell them the need to to talk the need to talk to professionals. Not our family members because one boy or gone through our grief. We go through it differently with each different members of families for you really? Honestly, you do. It took me 10 years to realise the fact that no I had to. I had to please talk. Please, please talk. That’s all you got to do. professional help. is actually amazing. Yeah,
Bryan McCartney
that’s great advice. Thank you, Tracy. Thank you for being with us. Today. I’ve been joined with Tracy Dixon, more tree technician Emergency Services Manager from McCartney fan rep your family funeral. Let me try that again. More tree services manager from McCartney family funerals. Thanks for being with us today. Trace. Yeah, thank you very much, Brian. Thanks. Thank you. Bye bye.